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from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 17:35 Go to next message
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3 cards in a 32 bit magma on a g3, os 9.? to XP or W7? what benefits can i expect? Sounds like paris is becoming more usable. Suffered long enuf, time to make a move. What benefits would 64 bit offer? thanks.
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Re: BS [message #106232 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That was just a tad too cryptic for me, care to elaborate? Smile

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106233 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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my first post was very elaborate and disappeared into the void, hence the post you read...

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106234 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cryptic worked better, response wise LoL

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106237 is a reply to message #106234] Tue, 12 April 2011 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gotcha - think of the FUDForum software we're using here as the forum software equivalent to PARIS. Balky and quirky and bound to throw you a WTF? moment now and then, but there's tons to love, and hey - the price is right. Smile



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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106238 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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so what about migrating to xp or w7?

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106239 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Windows XP Professional running sp 3. Processor is an AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual core processor 5600+ 2.80 GHz, 2.00 gig RAM.MSI motherboard.would this be a good comp for paris compared to a G3?

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106240 is a reply to message #106239] Tue, 12 April 2011 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just got a sec right now but basically:

1) XP has been solid as a rock for the last couple of years on even the most modern multicore systems thanks to Mike's reissue drivers

2) Win7 32 bit has a shorter track record but the results so far have been stellar, with user Philip reporting it runs very stable and solid using the XP drivers (you'll find the thread stickied)

3) Win7 64bit drivers: Mike's working on them. It's pretty cheeky to be trying to make stuff this astonishingly old work in a state-of-the-art modern OS, but he's had nothing but positive indicators so far. Mike came up with an elegant "double buffering" solution to work around some key issues and it works well enough that he's grafted it into the XP drivers. There is a *lot* of ingenuity being applied here, and we're quite hopeful about the outcome.

4) That looks like a good system, rather like my own. Not blazing by today's standards but compared to that G3 you're absolutely going to need seatbelts on your computer chair.


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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106244 is a reply to message #106231] Tue, 12 April 2011 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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im using a expansion chassis im assuming nothing will change. I have paris 3.0. will i have to get a new response from ID or is there a workaround since its a pc? Will i be able to use asio to port out of a paris card when using a mastering suite like PEAK or similiar? when i started using the magma, i lost the ability to use the paris asio on bias peak. Dont know if its because of 3 cards or if its a expansion issue. I have been using paris on this G3 since day one of G3 availability and know nothing else. Thats been a while lol. I found my paris 3.0 disc so i may try it in the xp box and see if it will do demo mo0de.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106245 is a reply to message #106244] Wed, 13 April 2011 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't think you'll b e able to do any ASIO on the PC side. I used to run Waveburner on
my G3, then G4 867 running OS 9.2.2 However, apparently there has been some progress made on the ASIO front...

The 3.0 disc should run fine in demo mode, and ID is still issuing response codes. In fact the last time I switched - a year ago - they responded faster than any other time back in the day.

Take care

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106246 is a reply to message #106231] Wed, 13 April 2011 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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asio is a mac thing? i didnt know that,thought mike a. had been workin on it. how do i use paris converters on my 2 track programs? booted up 3.0 disc and nothing lol. when i click on the shortcut the screens go black for a sec and then ....nothing. cant find my old respoine code either. how does id deal with that? already bought it twice cause east coast hosed me.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106248 is a reply to message #106246] Thu, 14 April 2011 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No ASIO isn't a Mac thing. I was just saying that it wasn't up and running well on PC, tho' I understand great progress has been made with it by Mike A. I could be wrong about it not being up and running for at least a 2 track program (like Wavelab). Maybe someone else who knows more can chime in...

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106249 is a reply to message #106248] Fri, 15 April 2011 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ASIO was a Mac thing in the days of OS9 and earlier. Nowadays it's primarily PC, with OSX Macs using Core Audio instead.

There have been three total versions of ASIO for PARIS. The first shipped with PARIS and was basically not very useful - high latencies, 16 bit only, limited I/O. The second versions were written by Matt Craig in 2004 and were an improvement but still limited.

The current state of play is that Mike's got a version of the ASIO driver in alpha that has a mere 256 samples of latency and allows all MEC card inputs and outputs, albeit only at 16 bit. But it's an alpha so it's expectedly rough around the edges and certain things cause instant crashes. For example, trying to open its driver control panel, probably because that hasn't been written yet. Very Happy

Try one of the first two, depending on your needs there are those who've found them unobjectionable. If you talk nice to Mike (and promise not to complain about the rough parts) he might let you have a peek at his snappier alphas - I've used them and they were actually quite stable once I learned "what not to do".


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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106250 is a reply to message #106249] Fri, 15 April 2011 01:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cool, good info. how do i buy his drivers for xp? cant make ensoniq.ca give them up.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106251 is a reply to message #106250] Fri, 15 April 2011 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Huh, weird. If you can't buy the XP drivers through the download link at the bottom of this page,, his email's Mike at mike at mikeaudet dotcom.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106252 is a reply to message #106250] Fri, 15 April 2011 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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50 tries later i give up. i think that site is messed up.keeps makin me sign in.

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Both Mike and I have hosting companies that "changed the rules" on us suddenly without notice. In his case I remember it really screwed up the e-commerce thing. Drop him an email at that address I gave you, he'll have you sorted out in quick order.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106254 is a reply to message #106253] Fri, 15 April 2011 02:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ill try that.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106255 is a reply to message #106254] Fri, 15 April 2011 02:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i bought it i think but i have no idea wtf it put it. i cant fn find it.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106259 is a reply to message #106255] Fri, 15 April 2011 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I need the link with the instructions to install paris in xp.. Anyone???

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106260 is a reply to message #106259] Sat, 16 April 2011 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=WinXp

hope that helps
Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106291 is a reply to message #106260] Thu, 21 April 2011 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i guess i was mistaken. obviously i havent suffered enough. works for everyone but me. any one wanna buy a studio?

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106297 is a reply to message #106291] Fri, 22 April 2011 04:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what's the problem?
Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106303 is a reply to message #106297] Fri, 22 April 2011 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Problem

on exit

PARIS.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for any inconvenience.

Error signature is:
AppName:paris.exeAppVer:0.0.0.0 ModName:ntdll.dll
ModVer:5.1.2600.6055 Offset: 0029f07




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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106304 is a reply to message #106303] Fri, 22 April 2011 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is just weird; it sounds like the "Crash On Exit" bug but I was under the impression it had been killed a long time ago (like - 2004).

I think what's making it hard to help are 1) we don't really have a lot of info to go on and 2) Mike Audet couldn't sort it out??? I dunno, nobody knows the PARIS drivers better than Mike, if he's stumped the problem must be very stubborn and deep.

About the only thing I could suggest is a complete OS reinstall and then a careful reinstallation of PARIS making certain to tick off every step as I went. This has fixed even the most stubborn problems for me every time.

Dunno if you've seen this page, but although it's more relevant to the old drivers it might spark some thoughts too.


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i went through it with mike for a few hours on the phone. i did a fresh install of the os on a brand new harddrive and carefully installed everything as per mikes instructions. he has sent me several sets of drivers to try to sort it out. i am not sure what is what at this point and i think mike is finished helping.mike sent me a dbug view app and i installed it and it ran for a day on 1 set of drivers but only if i ran the dbug view with it.Yesterday i got here and ID had sent me the responce code and i used it and then paris started being a POS. I think i somehow pissed mike off although i cant see how as he suddenly told me he had reached the limit of his support even though on the previous day he was offering further assistance to sort the drivers out?? I dunno. Mike has been really helpful but at this point i am not sure which drivers are which but i found a set which work without dbug view although they have the EXIT problem and sometimes lock the machine up. Since the new trouble began i have done a clean install of paris and the related files twice.????????? Someone suggested i get windows 7? Why cant xp get sorted out is my question.


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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106306 is a reply to message #106305] Fri, 22 April 2011 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anyone have a set of drivers that work with a setup like mine? Perhaps you could email them in that case .Lemme know. Been on this a while now. If not resolved soon im gonna have to go back to the G3 setup and be the only guy this dont work for.Yee haw

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106311 is a reply to message #106306] Fri, 22 April 2011 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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anyone know what this is?
..........................................................
validate error

InvisibleEndTagINCORRECTFROMspecial ioctl!
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Then an OK box. I get that every time I launch Paris even when it was working ok.


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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106313 is a reply to message #106311] Fri, 22 April 2011 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry man, I wouldn't know. Sounds like you've had a whack of problems. FWIW I just posted a pdf of my system, which works nicely...

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106315 is a reply to message #106313] Fri, 22 April 2011 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i have 5 sets of drivers from mike. every one of them do completely different shit but only 1 will actually boot paris and it encounters a problem at shutdown and wont save anything. this Fn sucks. I give up. trying to run paris is ruining my business.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106327 is a reply to message #106315] Sun, 24 April 2011 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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perhaps now.
Thanks dnafe


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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106328 is a reply to message #106327] Sun, 24 April 2011 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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got our collective fingers crossed

Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106329 is a reply to message #106328] Sun, 24 April 2011 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah me too. Much better but still not perfect. Probly good enough to work on. Gotta learn its likes and dislikes.

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Re: from g3 to xp or w 7 ? [message #106330 is a reply to message #106329] Sun, 24 April 2011 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anyone ever use console to run your v s t plugs?

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There was a solution(of sorts) LoL. Thanks to all who helped. Thanks Mike. Above and beyond. sorry for both of us it was such a trial.
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